And Then The Supreme Court Said...
The Supreme Court seems to have remembered itself and its duty. Let's see if it will continue to hold this administration accountable for its actions. If the Bush administration continues to act outside of the law, it is they that are putting the safety of America at risk. By not following the rule of law, they risk putting those that would do us harm in the position of walking free, simply by not following the law. This administration fails to recognize that it is their own actions, and not those that hold them accountable or report those actions, that put our country at risk. For them it is much easier (and effective it seems) to shoot the messenger rather than take a long, hard look in the mirror.
Kudos to the United States Supreme Court.
WASHINGTON (June 29) - The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that President Bush overstepped his authority in ordering military war crimes trials for Guantanamo Bay detainees, saying in a strong rebuke that the trials were illegal under U.S. and international law.
The court declared 5-3 that the trials for 10 foreign terror suspects violate U.S. law and the Geneva conventions.
The ruling raises major questions about the legal status of the approximately 450 men still being held at the U.S. military prison in Cuba and exactly how, when and where the administration might pursue the charges against them.
Kudos to the United States Supreme Court.
posted by Tootsie Farklepants at 10:28 AM
9 Comments:
Ok, lets see how this all plays out now. I just hope we dont see 450 Mousoui trials.
I hope that this means that al Qaeda will now provide lawyers for all prisoners instead of beheading them. Also, now that we are recognizing them in so far as the geneva convention is concerned what exactly is their country they are fighting for?
Not to be funny, but its probably Saudi Arabia.
I am afraid that we are providing habius corpus to people that are happy blowing up civilians. Whats next, reading them their meranda rights before we shoot at em in Afganistan?
Remember: This is a decision NOT about Iraq. It is about a bunch of pretty bad dudes sitting in Cuba after being picked up fighting on the battlefield in Afganistan. But they were NOT fighting for Afganistan, they were fighting for Fred Bin Laden.
Just a thought. What do you think?
We provide habius corpus to people who like to kill their victims and eat their vital organs (i.e.Jeffrey Dahmer). We provide habius corpus because that is how our system works. Of course I wish that our enemy who holds our own citizens or troops hostage would provide the same. We have laws for a reason in this country and we don't disregard them when they become inconvenient or too costly. I don't think we should lower our standards to those of our enemy. If we have to absorb the cost of trying and convicting the criminals that we are currently holding, then so be it.
Where is ol' UBL these days? Where is he sunning himself this fine summer afternoon?
And I am ok with the decision. Dont get me wrong. This for sure is going to be one of those events that we are all going to look back on and say, "ok, that was a good idea" or ok, that was a bad idea". We have tried the other way and it seems to have been out of bounds so lets give this a go and see what happens. I dont know the full 70 some pages of the decision or the desenting opinions, but the law is the law and we need to make it work. Period.
No need crying over it ( I am referring to me and others who dont like the decision) we need to accept it and move on to fight another day on a more important front.
Either way, these folks are getting trials. Military or Civil. I think maybe the civil side we are going to hear and see some things that are going to frankly surprise a lot of folks. Maybe we thought Zack was crazy, wait until some of these folks trials end up on cout TV. '
Should be fun actually! Too bad terrorists dont think that videos and cameras steal their soul, that would make this decision even better. How cool would that be? The terrorist get what they want, a trial by jury of their peers ( how we gonna find that? ) and its televised and steals their souls and they cant go to heaven and hang out with all those virgins.
Everyone wins that way!
Jack
Oh, and just so ya know Damer was a US citizen. Hamdi is not.
Our system of justice seems to be good for only those that benefit from it. If it is not going to have a positive impact on them then the foreigners head back home and call us barbaric.
UBL has a greatest hits album comming out soon I understand
So he's not a U.S. citizen, what's your point? Ramzi Yousef isn't a citizen either and he and his counterparts were tried and convicted and are currently serving their life sentences.
But wasnt Ramsi Yousef and the blind cleric actually IN the USA when they attempted to blow up the World Trade center and kill 50,000 people or more? Where they not here legally? On us soil, not on the battlefield in Afganistan? And what about the 3rd suspect? What happened to him in 1994? He went to Iraq and was living there. Hence a connection to Iraq and the first WTC bombing. They harbored the 3rd plotter. Sorry, I went in the wrong direction on this. Just trying to put feelings to paper so to speak and be as clearr and nice as possible. Bad tangent on my part.
But please dont misunderstand me. I am ok with the ruling. I just hope it turns out good for EVERYONE in the country, not just the people who hate Bush.I care about us all and our children and what kind of world they are going to grow up in. If this decision makes it better and safer then outstanding. If not, then I at least have someone to blame and Nancy Peolosi better not try to hide from her support of this in such a far flung way.
I would have to think that any soldier on the battlefield that knows this BAD guy who his shooting at him is going to get his day in court and possibly a court in San Francisco, well, I would assume that the soldier is going to make sure the BAD GUY doenst have his day in court if you know what I mean.
Soldiers care about the rule of law but Im pretty sure they dont want to be risking their lives to capture a loser who is shooting at them and then have him go to court and WIN and then file a civil lawsuit against the soldier and the US governement, led by Joe Biden for infringing on his civil rights.
I mean to say that this decision could get crazy if the congress doesnt put something in writing and get it cleared fast.
You'd think.
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